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Vuforia not free from 4.0?

February 26, 2015 - 12:45am #34

The price plan is unreasonable. Especially the device database should not be charged by reco event.

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February 26, 2015 - 1:05am #33

I was expecting this. Thank you Vuforia.

But i need to know few things clear.

I am not using Cloud and only Device databases. What are my charges, are you counting device recos also? giving me bronze, silver, gold medals?

I don't understand this internal testing apps. Please explain.

NB:  when i started this thread, i started learning metaio also...i was expecting this..

 

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February 26, 2015 - 5:39am #32

this is nonsense, qualcomm keeping silence and not replying to either forum or sales inquiries about this issue.

besides, one would expect some premium support for a u$999/month licensing, but they just offer "forum support" with it.

I can only think their "forum support" is as good as the silence they are offering right now.

 

I bet the Metaio Team is celebrating this milestone !

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February 26, 2015 - 7:31am #31

i doubt somebody from metaio got into vuforia top so that everything is going in favour of metaio.

I know what vuforia forum mods are doing, they are writing a new FAQ....

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February 26, 2015 - 7:38am #30

look at metaio home page header, it was not there this morning, they are declaring their license clearly in this header. Vuforia was my  and many other platform for ar, you should rethink your pricing system.

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February 26, 2015 - 7:50am #29

It's great to see how a team receives you with open arms and a clear speech, as you are being thrown apart with no further explanations or forewarnings from another team. 

 

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February 26, 2015 - 9:10am #28

and its quite funny that Metaio sales just contacted me offering me discounts...

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February 26, 2015 - 9:14am #27

Me too; they're being quite active on Twitter encouraging me to switch and touting their lack of limitations. Is this what you wanted, Qualcomm? For another company to poach your developers? Because it's happening right now. If we don't start getting clarification and/or changes in the pricing plans, you may have little to no developers within the next few days, and much of your investment into Vuforia 4.0 will be for naught.

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February 26, 2015 - 12:26pm #26

Yes metaio is using the opportunity, they are offering 20% discount upto march 31st. What should we do take it ? Your pricing plan wont even please anybody? If you have any change please break silence atleast by tommrow. Dont throw a FAQ explaining pricing foolishness, but change it properly, if you need somebody to develop with vuforia.

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February 26, 2015 - 1:56pm #25

gfxguru wrote:

Yes metaio is using the opportunity, they are offering 20% discount upto march 31st. What should we do take it ? Your pricing plan wont even please anybody? If you have any change please break silence atleast by tommrow. Dont throw a FAQ explaining pricing foolishness, but change it properly, if you need somebody to develop with vuforia.

Do you need contact their sales to get the discount? I'm in if they are giving 20% off. 

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February 26, 2015 - 2:14pm #24

i think so , search twitter for it, they are reaching all via twitter informing this.Really sad we need to tell about metaio on vuforia forum...

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February 26, 2015 - 2:57pm #23

Thanks for all of your detailed feedback. We’re reading every post and we hear you. Stay tuned for updates coming shortly.

Vuforia Sales will be closely monitoring and replying to this thread: https://developer.vuforia.com/forum/license-manager/vuforia-40-licensing-discussion

 

 

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February 26, 2015 - 4:43pm #22

Here are some points to consider vuforia sales 

- we are not willing to pay monthly rent for device databases. 

- we are willing to pay reasonably for vuforia cloud. 

- avoid putting foolish limitations just for making money

  and think from developer point of view. 

- try charging per app single payment or charge for premium like 3d object reco. 

 

 

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February 26, 2015 - 10:51pm #21

1 point more:
- Consider the watermarked option for "amateur" developers, in the end, the more apps developed using vuforia, the more visible in the market.
This was even consider in the pricing published in the BETA for the 4.0 release, as I post here yesterday a "copy paste" of that terms.
"Watermarked apps: unlimited recos on device database, and 1000 under cloud recognition service" I think you can go further, and limitate to device only, but in my opininion, you need to open your product to single developers that cant afford that unrealistics fees. Being honest, avoid watermarked screen for a big company should be a must, but for example, a single event, lets say a person develop an AR wedding card... Its not important because its done for funny.

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February 27, 2015 - 12:37am #20

There is nothing wrong making vuforia comercial. One day the effort creating it must get paid. However you can only take share on profit if there is any profit.

I can't really see how someone publishing his app or game can monetize it with 5000 monthly app users. That's the new limit when you want to get paid.

There can't be any profit from the app at this amount of monthly users.

I can understand charges for online Cloud as it justifies infrastructure that needs to be maintained. But offline recognition does not cost you much of maintenance. Charging for it at this low set limit will basically stop anyone experimenting and showcasign new apps and concepts with AR and Vuforia as they will get over free limit fast but cannot be monetized.

Why don't you consider free watermark version for non comercial apps regardless offline reco count?

The moment an app is ready for monetisation and starts to offer in app payments, paid version or it clearly sells products or services in it consider it comercial a require comercial licence. Then take your share.

If you are affraid of promotional apps like e.g. McDonalds is doing because they have large amount of offline reco. They will want to get rid of watermark so they will upgrade. If not, good anyway as they will make a great promo of your platform by showing watermark to large audience.

So my suggestion, keep it free with watermark until app is monetized.

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February 27, 2015 - 5:27am #19

This is quite simple for me:

During Vuforia 4 beta period, we were all asking the same questions about licensing, and were told to wait for final version to know exactly how it will be. The beta period ends, and none of those critical questions were answered....let me be more clear: We have been patiently asking these same questions and telling our concerns for over 2 months, only to receive a lot of silence and "read-the-faq" kind of answers, all that after a long wait.... quite provocative if you ask me.

No matter how this deal turns out, most of us are already engaging and researching alternatives from competitors. Some started right away in December when they saw it comming. At this point, I understand it was a mistake to trust and wait for the final version to get answers, because so far, there are none.

I can only reconsider Vuforia if they offer a better deal than the competitors, and here are some points to consider:

- Don't  try to bill us based on how many offline recognitions can occur, and don't watermark our apps for this to happen.

- No license check over the internet on app startup in order for the SDK to run... we want to make 100% offline apps, this is a deal breaker for most of my projects.

- Don't put a "contact us" instead of the license price, and then asking how is our app called, who is the client, what we will be using it for: We are your customers, not your business partners!

- Internal-use-apps requiring to pay on a monthly basis per app is... RIDICULOUS!  your competitor built a whole new banner slogan based on your mistakes "one-time payment / unlimited apps".  If you can't beat that deal, we're not willing to pay more for less.

you can rollback your policies, you can adapt to your customers reactions, you can try to listen more often to your customers, but there's a wound that won't close soon: trust and respect. And this wasn't a publishing mistake, we are inquiring about this for MONTHS!

 

I hope we all find a tool that fits our needs at a right price with reasonable people on the other side.

On the bright side, I had been forced (by Qualcomm) to know and evaluate other alternatives that offer some nice features (facial and 3d recognition, windows builds, etc).

 

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February 27, 2015 - 12:17pm #18

Well, just got an email for their new 'classic' plan, which is apparently 500 bucks for unlimited device recos, but it is 500 PER app.  That's way too expensive for us on a shoestring budget with experimental apps.

I think, for my stuff, I will just stay with 3.0.9 for our first AR app, and then look at the 4.0 Developer free plan (unlimited device recos with watermark) for the future...assuming they don't get rid of that in the meantime, and work in parallel with Metaio's similar developer plan (watermark, unlimited, not sure what else).  For our small experimental free apps, it's currently the only thing that makes sense for what I'm working on.

For those working on a bigger scale with larger profit potential, I don't know if  their one concession will be enough.  But it doesn't seem like they really understood the frustration, nor even tried to look at Metaio and at least 'match' their free to non-free pricing plans.

 

sigh...

 

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February 27, 2015 - 12:18pm #17

sorry for the dup

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February 27, 2015 - 1:20pm #16

"We'll offer the Classic plan for a one-time fee of $499 per app, and it's available now."

talk about tone deaf...

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February 27, 2015 - 2:50pm #15

Here at our University I support hundreds of student and faculty developers who dabble with AR using Vuforia in Unity for research purposes.  These new price barriers need to include a student or educational licensing option.  If this never happens then I am afraid our University students and faculty will be finished using vuforial for research expierements.  We will have to rely on clunky ARToolkit once again and AR expierments will be conducted by only a select few who are willing to develop with ARToolkit or FLARToolKit.

I would be interested in knowing more information about edcational license pricing or student pricing.

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February 28, 2015 - 5:14am #14

I really dislike this new pricing.

How can the Vuforia Team rice the prices in that way over night?

What was the basis for their calculation? Was the AR business running so fantastic in the past so that it is possible to rise the prices in that way? Or, is the Vuforia Team just estimating the new business potential?

Why they did not informed the community before the beta release like many other companies do?

Does the Vuforia Team believe that the new Classic Plan makes the situation significantly better?

Does the Vuforia Team believe that they can establish a trustful relationship with the developer community after this disastrous pricing announcements? 

Dear Vuforia Team, what is wrong with you? 

 

I have absolutely no confidence in this pricing scheme. What is the next move?

 

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February 28, 2015 - 8:33am #13

it's not very clear if the new classic plan is valid for "Internal Use" Apps.

can someone from Sales confirm this?

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March 1, 2015 - 8:19am #12

Not many things surprise me these days, but even I must admit that I almost fell of my chair when I came across this GEM.

I REALLY don't appreciate the way you guys played this out Qualcomm. Developers have supported you from Day 1, I always looked down on Metaio because of what I perceived to be exhuberant prices. Well I guess the tables have turned.

Your library is great, its mature, you've promoted it alot by using developers to do  alot of your work for you. But don't forget  that developers are more than capable of picking up new tools , discarding old ones and developing our own tools if needed.

I for one will be looking at Metaio  going forward until your commercial team pulls their head our of their ....

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March 1, 2015 - 10:56am #11

leonmoodley wrote:

Not many things surprise me these days, but even I must admit that I almost fell of my chair when I came across this GEM.

I REALLY don't appreciate the way you guys played this out Qualcomm. Developers have supported you from Day 1, I always looked down on Metaio because of what I perceived to be exhuberant prices. Well I guess the tables have turned.

Your library is great, its mature, you've promoted it alot by using developers to do  alot of your work for you. But don't forget  that developers are more than capable of picking up new tools , discarding old ones and developing our own tools if needed.

I for one will be looking at Metaio  going forward until your commercial team pulls their head our of their ....

This is exactly the point. We DEVELOPERS supported this platform for many years. And now, Qualcomm decided to turn this AR SDK to a gold mine. We were part of it. We supported this development with our work, with endless hours of development and you Vuforia Team surprised us withs this "excelent" pricing scheme. Thanks for cooperation!

 

 

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March 1, 2015 - 11:07pm #10

martdob wrote:

leonmoodley wrote:

Not many things surprise me these days, but even I must admit that I almost fell of my chair when I came across this GEM.

I REALLY don't appreciate the way you guys played this out Qualcomm. Developers have supported you from Day 1, I always looked down on Metaio because of what I perceived to be exhuberant prices. Well I guess the tables have turned.

Your library is great, its mature, you've promoted it alot by using developers to do  alot of your work for you. But don't forget  that developers are more than capable of picking up new tools , discarding old ones and developing our own tools if needed.

I for one will be looking at Metaio  going forward until your commercial team pulls their head our of their ....

This is exactly the point. We DEVELOPERS supported this platform for many years. And now, Qualcomm decided to turn this AR SDK to a gold mine. We were part of it. We supported this development with our work, with endless hours of development and you Vuforia Team surprised us withs this "excelent" pricing scheme. Thanks for cooperation!

 

 

Coming in at 6:30am today to get a last few amend to a project that was / is using version 3 and finding I caanot amend because the new target manager wont let me use unless in version4 suck!  Also the answer I got from the sales team is still confusing.

Qualcomm you really suck!  OK charge a few for your investment but c'mon bleeding us dry is no way to go!

If you don't change your pricnng plan then I hope Vuforia fades into history....the guys over at Metaio must be pi$$ing themselves!

 

 

 

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March 2, 2015 - 9:20am #9

Another thing is the cremation of vuforia 3. Not even ashes are left behind. At the beta start i asked about that and they said upto june we can update 3 projects.

In Unity vuforia had problems, needed info.plist editing, ios8 problems and mostly no 64 bit. You should have just fixed it and then moved as other softwares do. Their old versions should be atleast usable. Using an online target manager itself was a planned move to grasp control in your hands.  Please speak out..or the long term users are vuforia itself.

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March 2, 2015 - 12:01pm #8

Still haven't answer our most concerned question: Does classic plan require at least one time internet connection in order to work? 

If it still required internet connection it still will be a deal breaker.

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March 2, 2015 - 2:15pm #7

Have you evaluated a flat monthly fee and/or a traditional pay once for a perpetual license for version 4.x, 5.x, etc. model?

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March 2, 2015 - 6:30pm #6

Ok, this is worse than I expected, here's some information for you all (confirmed with sales dept):

- If your app is made for "Internal Use", then you can't have unlimited device recognitions (aka classic plan)

- if your app uses cloud recognition service, you can't have unlimited device recognitions.The usage-based plans count recognitions across all the databases (device and cloud) without distinction.

- On Usage-based plans: if tracking is lost for more than 5 seconds and then found again... a new recognition is counted! ($$$)

 

Qualcomm should get this right:

- Nobody is willing to pay for device recognitions on *ANY* plan, don't play fool confusing offline with cloud just to make more money.

- Offline recognition apps should *NOT* require internet access for licensing check.

 

I might buy a few licenses to handle ongoing projects, and that's it, vuforia is no longer my first option.

even if they fix this mess, respect and trust is lost: they can go license-crazy again anytime as far as I know.

 

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March 2, 2015 - 8:59pm #5

i have started 'M'odifying my unity projects, i have around 10 of them so i wont buy vuforia for fixing that. After hearing alexv's comments i am almost finalized vuforia future. Not even big fishes will like restrictions. This is an age where freedom is of prime importance, we dont want to be in your jail for AR development.

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March 3, 2015 - 9:38am #4

Good news, Unity 5 Relesased with a Full Featured Free version. Unreal engine is also free. All are moving in that direction. Vuforia is going in the opposite direction. 

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March 3, 2015 - 9:52am #3

gfxguru wrote:

Good news, Unity 5 Relesased with a Full Featured Free version. Unreal engine is also free. All are moving in that direction. Vuforia is going in the opposite direction. 

 

I was about to make the same statement, but you beat me to it! They respect and treasure their developers, so their business model has everyone in mind. But looks like Vuforia only has themselves in the picture... 

So good that Vuforia makes their target manager require a licence key to create new databases, which broke all the work that we have done with Vuforia 3. That left us no choice but to migrate our current work to M, and so far everything is working far beyond our expected progress. Thank you Vuforia for making our lives so much easier!

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March 3, 2015 - 9:54am #2

Yes, the monetization proposed by Qualcomm for Vuforia is odd to say the least. It's as though someone in Qualcomm lower management, someone with no real grasp of mobile development economics, was tasked with coming up with a monetization scheme but presented a scheme at some internal group meeting that completely ignores reality, presumably on the premise that it could be tweaked later. I really hope Qualcomm middle management wises up and reassigns this bozo. I had some small interaction with Qualcomm a few years ago and I always thought end user interaction reasonably well managed - how wrong I was.

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March 3, 2015 - 10:48am #1

1000000% agree with Unity...

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