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Vuforia not free from 4.0?

December 16, 2014 - 9:19pm #85

I had gone through the new dev page for vuforia 4.0 and saw licence manager head, is this means that vuforia will not be free anymore or only premium features like object recognition are paid?. What would be the pricing like, per app or per account?. Hope basic AR part is free.

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December 16, 2014 - 10:20pm #84

i saw the licence manager page and it is per app :

Professional Plan

For apps with <10,000 recos/month across device and cloud databases

So vuforia is charging for every app deployment and also its counting the recos of device database?

 

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December 17, 2014 - 12:28pm #83

Thread has been moved.

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December 17, 2014 - 3:24pm #82
Moved to where? 
 
As gfxguru said, there is no posibility for developing with Vuforia for free anymore since 4.0 version is going to be released? I think that basic features should remains as free, and premium features require the paid version... but it's only an opinion. 
 
Could be used the 3.0.9 version as free along the time?
 
Do you have any futher information?
 
Regards.

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December 18, 2014 - 12:10am #81

I understand why we have to pay for cloud reco, its perfectly valid as it requires to run complex infrastructure.

While it's hurting I still could understand if app is succesful there would be a charge (over 10k recos a month)

But this is most worrying part. The note on free developer program

"For app development and limited deployment with watermark"

This is Metaio way... This effectively means no production app for free any more for anyone.

It is a big shame as Vuforia was the only good quality free SDK on the market for both iOS and Android for offline use.

Lets see what price gonna be but it is definitelly bad christmas present ;o|

 

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December 19, 2014 - 12:31am #80

What it makes problematic is the counting on device database. Its too much of a restriction. 

I had a few long term projects,that uses vuforia and my question is the life span of the vuforia 3 version.

Will it be there with its Target Manager ? or will be wiped out? without its target manager there is nothing we can do

 

"For app development and limited deployment with watermark"

This is Metaio way

Stan , But metaio doesnt have any limitation in deployment , we can even publish it to appstore, but with watermark. 

But the only that needed to be free is the normal image based tracking, i understand the R&D of 3d and such great features and should be charged. But for small developers like me,its hurting.

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December 19, 2014 - 12:52am #79

gfxguru wrote:

Stan , But metaio doesnt have any limitation in deployment , we can even publish it to appstore, but with watermark. 

Yep, what is it different to Vuforia 4? Is there limitation to deploy to stores? I've seen only watermak added in free program. Ah ok I guess you mean that you must upgrade when you are over 10k recos a month? that's true, but this limit is quite ok I guess. depends on price of paid program.

 

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December 19, 2014 - 6:28am #78

so, any official words on this issue? what will be available for free in vuforia 4 and under what conditions will it be free?

any admins/qualcom staff around to comment on this?

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December 19, 2014 - 7:49am #77

Not so much information from the License Team Support. See below.

"Thank you for contacting us about your licensing concerns with regards to Vuforia. The Vuforia SDK is available at no charge to download, develop and publish your application! All that we ask is that you make awesome applications and adhere to the terms of our licensing agreement.

If you are interested in developing an application using Vuforia’s Cloud Recognition Service, separate usage terms may apply.

Thanks again,
The Vuforia Support Team"

Doesn't help with the new requirements of the 4.0 EULA.

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December 19, 2014 - 4:42pm #76

I am totally lost... Have just read about the new license management and can`t believe that device database need (under the 4.0 version) to be paid as a monthly fee, using the last information available from cloud reco, let`s say, 99$\mo, now imagine that a simple app is sold at 100$, from the 2nd month I need to put my own money there to maintain it. 1200$\ year for a 100$ app, nice business... 

If Qualcomm wants to earn money, should take into account that many developers has no option for paying the fees, looking directly to the platform I use, Unity, the FREE version is available for everyone (with its limitations) until you reach 100.000$. Also you have the option for paying monthly fee, or buy the license for the PRO version. 

Then, I think that new options (FREE basic features vs PRO premium features) should be available, and the option for buying a PRO license, not only monthly fees.

Anyway, someone need to clarify this new license management to evaluate as soon as possible this new mandatory fees\prices imposed and its consistent profitability for future projects.

Thanks in advance.

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December 24, 2014 - 3:04am #75

No more information available?
Price of License?
I think that a product shouldn't be updated from Free to a Payment one that way, there are many people that is using Vuforia because of the possibility of the Device Database, let's say "amateur apps" that in 99% cases only use the Image Target feature, and in most cases are free or like Chenoabere says, is sold as a 100$ app.
For me the most important thing is to establish the price of the License, not a "bleeding" monthly fee, and try cover all the developers necessities, from Amateur to Enterprise. And need to be done quickly in order to explore the other possibilities out there, this is a 400+ views topic and no word from Qualcomm, I think there are many people waiting to take a decision.

Regards.

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December 24, 2014 - 11:29am #74

I have to admit I was always amazed that a cool AR tool such as Vuforia was for free and has opened up a whole new way of developing for me, but all with free apps, no profit in it as apps will always be free.

 

No if the goal posts have chnaged and an unrealistic pricing plan is being set as mandatory that kill is and is a real real shame!

 

This is a bad Christmas indeed, please reconsider Qualcomm....

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December 31, 2014 - 11:29pm #73

While waiting for the 4.0 terms,

Can some official from vuforia say about the future of 3 branch, will it be there,with its target manager, because i have few long term projects started on that.

 

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January 1, 2015 - 4:44am #72

100% Agree, need to be defined as soon as possible.

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January 3, 2015 - 4:51pm #71

Adding my voice.  Would love an answer to this.

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January 5, 2015 - 3:10am #70

Add me to the wish list...

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January 5, 2015 - 8:19am #69

Hi All

 

Hope you all had a good xmas.

So i come to work on monday and look on here for any updates and great news SDK 4.0 is out great :)

Well not so great it turns out, from what i can tell there still is no ARM64 support and now they have added a water mark with no way of getting rid of it on the free SDK. Ok great well we can just upgrade to a pro version i hear you say, well no as there is no plans in place yet.I am not sure why this has been released yet when half the information is missing seems it was done in a rush.

I think if this is the case then vuforia will loose allot of developers as there is much more AR SDK's out there that you can pay for that can do allot more then vuforia.

vuforia is a great SDK i wish they could keep us up to date a bit more and let us know when they are going to spring big changes like this on us.

 

 

 

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January 6, 2015 - 11:16pm #68

The new terms should be clarified ASAP.

And the device database should not bind with a specific app, why add limitations to this great AR SDK? I do not understand the purpose.

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January 13, 2015 - 6:19pm #67

Please see the updated Billing FAQ for answers to your questions.

https://developer-beta.vuforia.com/library/articles/FAQ/Pricing-and-Billing-FAQ

 

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January 13, 2015 - 11:11pm #66

Thank you for the clarification. But all turns out to be same as i expected. Six more month life to Vuforia 3 :)

Now eager to see the pricing of pro and enterprise :)

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January 14, 2015 - 1:23am #65

This is the reply i got for people that may be interested

 

Hi Benjamin,

 

Thanks for your interest in Vuforia. 

 

To answer your questions -

 

1. We will be releasing the pricing of Vuforia 4.0 at the end of this month - January'15

 

2. The pricing is per application title (an application title can have android and iOS application versions)

 

3. The commercial release of  the native iOS Vuforia 4.0 SDK will be 64 bit compatible (releasing end of Jan'15). The Unity iOS Vuforia 4.0 extension will be 64 bit compatible (releasing end of Feb'15). Vuforia 3.0 will not be 64 bit compatible.

 

Let us know if you have any questions.

 

Regards,

Vuforia Support

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January 14, 2015 - 3:16am #64

 Vuforia 3.0 will not be 64 bit compatible.

Was about to ask this question, so there is no need of vuforia 3 to have life upto june. From February Appstore needs 64bit builds, so its ending there if you are targeting iOS. Anyway i can wait for one more day to see the pricing.

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January 14, 2015 - 3:31am #63

gfxguru wrote:

Anyway i can wait for one more day to see the pricing.

I don't think it's gonna be one day. I guess End of Jan'15 means end of January 2015 so basically together with the live version 4.0 comming out. So thrilling up to the very end ;o)

 

As the subscription will be individual per each app I want to ask whether offline dataset will be also tight to licence key. Can we share same dataset across apps or we will have to generate its own dataset for each app?

 

Thanks

Stan

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January 14, 2015 - 6:25am #62

Just to answer gfxguru 's previous comment:

... so there is no need of vuforia 3 to have life up to june. From February Appstore needs 64bit builds, so its ending there if you are targeting iOS. ...

 

Note that existing Apps (e.g. Apps developed with Vuforia 3.0 for example, and that have already been submitted to the App Store) can still be "updated" in the App Store without incurring in the 64-bit requirement until June 2015. as announced in the Apple website on December 17, 2014, here:

https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=12172014b

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January 14, 2015 - 7:06am #61

Thanks stan i misread ans january 15

Thanks Allesandro for pointing this out 64bit matter.

Another question is about Android. Now Unity have added Intel Binary support, but the Vuforia .so files are compiled for ARM only. For vuforia 4.0 will it have x86 .so files?

Without that i think its impossible to compile a vuforia project to suit intel android tablets

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January 14, 2015 - 8:54am #60

Vuforia 4.0 will come with "arm" architecture support, so it will not include .so (library) files specifically for the x86 architecture. However, intel-x86 based devices can run "arm-based" apps using arm emulation. This is already the case with Vuforia 3.0.

 

 

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January 14, 2015 - 11:20am #59

Please be aware that the dates for 64bit support are tentative and may change.

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January 14, 2015 - 10:21pm #58

Thanks AlessandroB, i am aware of the emulation, but the performance was less due to emulation. when i tried to compile to FAT(x86 and ARM) the app crashed and so forced to use ARM only build. So project containing vuforia are ARM only.  

Qualcomm and Intel are chipset rivals so asking intel compatibility may be like asking apple to put apk support on iOS :)

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January 19, 2015 - 12:29am #57

Then, with the watermark screen, (developer plan), we can create apps, and deploy them even with a commercial use?

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January 19, 2015 - 10:26pm #56

The beta licensing page say Developer is - For app development and limited deployment with watermark

I dont know what is that limited deployment, but usually , as metaio does they should allow publishing with watermark, so we are spreading the name of vuforia.

Please see attachment of watermark of vuforia and metaio, for those who havent tested with 4

 

 

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January 20, 2015 - 1:20am #55

That is the license during the Beta period, I am figuring out that under the release version, the terms that, apply are the ones of the latest billing information, that explain that under developer program you can publicy the app, with the watermark and under 2 more conditions, no limit for device recognition, 1000 recos under cloud recognition, I asume that the app could be a commercial ones, but with the restrictions above mentioned. Is it correct?

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January 22, 2015 - 12:06pm #54

Hi, regarding:


Quote:

2. The pricing is per application title (an application title can have android and iOS application versions)

What if the app/game title is realised for free (not even with adds/inapps)?

 

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January 22, 2015 - 12:06pm #53

Hi, regarding:


Quote:

2. The pricing is per application title (an application title can have android and iOS application versions)

What if the app/game title is released for free (not even with adds/inapps)?

 

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January 22, 2015 - 11:45pm #52

I don't think there is a direct relationship between the price you charge for your published App (e.g. on the App Store) and the pricing scheme of your Vuforia plan.

To be sure however, you can send an inquiry to our sales team:

https://developer.vuforia.com/support/contact/sales

 

 

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January 23, 2015 - 6:32pm #51

Is User-defined target considered as a kind of image taget, i.e. does the recognition event counts 1 reco?

I think user-defined target doesn't have a specific target and can't be used in branding. It's usually for free apps. Charging on it would kill this kind of apps.

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February 6, 2015 - 12:02am #50

Update on iOS 64 bit:

Vuforia 4.0 Beta with iOS 64bit support was announced yesterday:

https://developer.vuforia.com/forum/vuforia-40-beta/ios-64-bit-support-now-available-vuforia-40-beta

 

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February 6, 2015 - 4:12am #49

And yet no news about pricing ...

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February 25, 2015 - 2:24pm #48

what exactly is "Monthly Reco Usage" ?

In the tooltip it says:

A "reco" occurs when your app recognizes an image or object. Deployment plans include a certain number of recos per month of all users of your app.

Now, does this include all offline *not cloud service* recognitions as well?

 

 

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February 25, 2015 - 3:24pm #47

I, too, would like a lot more clarification on this new Vuforia 4.0 and how the pricing is supposed to work, especially

1) what if you don't use cloud based recognition but instead are using a device database?

 and 2) does this new 4.0 legaleeze apply at all if you stick with Vuforia 3.0.9? Or can you stick with the Vuforia 3.0 legal stuff and avoid all this new and weird licensing crap?

--added--

edit: Found the answer for #2 in the new license agreement under fees..."For the avoidance of doubt, Pre-4.0 Applications do not require association with a Service Plan unless they are upgraded to a newer version of the Software, at which point they will no longer be deemed a Pre-4.0 Application."

where "1.13.  Pre-4.0 Application” means a Developer Application that uses a version of the Software that was made available prior to Software version Vuforia 4.0."

--end first edit--

---start second edit--

However, this doesn't imply you can continue to use 3.0.9, since I don't know if you'd still be allowed to create 3.0 compatible device databases now**.  But in our case, for our first AR app, we're ok, I guess. And can take a wait/see attitude post that point.

**ANSWER: nope, just tried it, and nope, you can't create a db for 3.0.9 now (a legacy db). You must use the license key system going forward but you still can do a device or cloud db, so the answer to Q1 still remains...but based on what I'm reading....

if you use a device db, and the free license, it appears to not be limited to 1000 per month (since the pricing pop ups say 1000 cloud recos...not device recos) and the only diff is the watermark requirement.  For those paying for pricing though, they just mention 'recos' as all recos per month, and don't seem to even assume you might be using a device db....so that needs clarifying for the money plans.

----end second edit----

Frankly, I'm going to continue to finish up work on our first AR app using Vuforia 3.0.9 since our small device db is already ready to go (and downloaded from the site, so it's safe from Qualcomm locking us out or whatever, assuming they might).  And hopefully, before it releases, we'll have some clarity on how the new 4.0 stuff affects 3.0 apps.

And I've already signed up for Metaio's SDK to start investigating that for our simple image target needs.  At least their plans, including the free ones, are spelled out clearly.

Hate to change away from Vuforia, especially after all the pain I went through to get it to work, but I don't use cloud based reco, nor want it, and don't like this uncertainty with 1000 recos a month and suddenly you need to change something...1000 recos of cloud?  of device db use? Doesn't seem the same, but perhaps 4.0 forces you to use the cloud or does it under the covers if you use a device db...just don't like the feel of this, sorry.  <see above edits with what I found out>

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February 25, 2015 - 3:28pm #46

I got this from the sales team a few weeks back:

 

"Watermarked apps are free and do not incur a reco charge, but this free model will have limitations.

Non watermark apps will follow a similar plan as is in place currently with the Cloud Reco package circa $99 per month per app and a limitation on recos

Apps will require network connection on very first run to verify licence after that it will run offline"

 

 

*** UPDATE ***

But I just read what the limitations are!  internal Use Apps MUST use a Platinum Plan!!!!!!!

I will be advising my bosses that we switch to Metaio as this change is just plan ..... STUPID!!

Well done Qualcomm for breaking something so good, charge if you must but take you customer base to the cleaners?......goodbye!

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February 25, 2015 - 3:28pm #45

So... device database option is not available anymore, and the option of deploy an app (even a commercial one) under the watermarked condition is not possible. Then, this information was a joke?

 

"2. What features of the Vuforia 4.0 SDK will be free to developers after the Beta period?

Developers will be able to utilize ALL the features in the Vuforia 4.0 SDK at no cost under the Developer Plan, and may distribute these apps publicly. Vuforia apps that use the Developer Plan will display a small watermark in the lower left corner of the device screen.
See: What are the Reco limits on Developer Plans?

3. What are the Reco limits on Developer Plans?
Apps that use a Developer Plan can execute an unlimited number of Reco events (on device) with the exception of the Cloud Recognition service which is limited to 1000 Recos per month.

the watermarked apps (developer plan) can be submited to the Playstore with the limitations described above, and could be free or not.

To avoid the watermark, the next plan is professional that allows up to 10.000 recos/month. 

 

No way...

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February 25, 2015 - 3:35pm #44

As best I can tell, the device db is still available and unlimited (with the watermark on the free plan).  But you can't create legacy (pre 4.0) databases anymore, so you must get the license (which includes a license for the 'free' plan), before you can create the device db (for a 4.0 app now). and your app will have to link across the Net to validate the license first before the user can run it (the first time, at least).

Whether you can use all the 4.0 features, I do not know. and also the 10000 a month you mentioned looks wrong, since the pricing starts with Bronze and that says 5000.

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February 25, 2015 - 3:36pm #43

The limitation on the watermark plan refers to cloud recos (1000 and a maximum cloud database size of 1000).  There is no limit to device recos with the watermark plan, and you can deploy on this plan.

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February 25, 2015 - 3:40pm #42

mwynkoop_1 wrote:

The limitation on the watermark plan refers to cloud recos (1000 and a maximum cloud database size of 1000).  There is no limit to device recos with the watermark plan, and you can deploy on this plan.

 

Not how I read the price plan page.  Look at bronze, silver and gold plans ALL do not provide internal app use it states for these you MUST use a platinum plan!

 

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February 25, 2015 - 3:42pm #41

elpuerco63 wrote:

mwynkoop_1 wrote:

The limitation on the watermark plan refers to cloud recos (1000 and a maximum cloud database size of 1000).  There is no limit to device recos with the watermark plan, and you can deploy on this plan.

 

Not how I read the price plan page.  Look at bronze, silver and gold plans ALL do not provide internal app use it states for these you MUST use a platinum plan!

 

 

Yes sorry, I was not aware you were looking for an "internal use" plan.  For this you have to contact the sales team to determine a pricing plan that fits your company size.

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February 25, 2015 - 3:55pm #40

Agreed, for internal apps, it's still very confusing about what to do if you are just using a device db (and NOT cloud db/reco).

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February 25, 2015 - 4:05pm #39

CGA wrote:

Agreed, for internal apps, it's still very confusing about what to do if you are just using a device db (and NOT cloud db/reco).

 

For internal apps, regardless of the db method, you should contact the sales team via the platinum plan link to determine approprate pricing plan for your company/deployment.

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February 25, 2015 - 4:41pm #38

it's still unclear if we have to pay for a non-watermarked vuforia 4 app without cloud recognition service.....it could all be easy to understand if qualcom made a clear statement about this.... I'm starting to think it's a strategy

 

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February 25, 2015 - 8:23pm #37

If you are to roll out this ridiculous pricing models, I would expect you to at least have the courtesy to give us notification instead of just shoving it into our faces. It is good that you are rolling out new features, but setting charges on developers that have no intention of using the new features and making their existing work non-compatible to the market without paying is plain robbery. Well done Vuforia, you just gave me the best reason to contact Metaio sales.

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February 25, 2015 - 10:28pm #36

Are you sure Qualcomm about this new plan strategy? This is a good bye to the AR gaming development as we know it. Do you know how many times a single player has to recognize a marker in a hour of play time? 

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February 26, 2015 - 12:12am #35

Oh dear oh dear they really did broke there platform its a shame really they just lost allot of developers maybe they will learn from this, more then likly not as they have not took user feed back into account.

 

I think Metaio is the way to go has many more features then vuforia and you pay a one of charge of £4500 for the full SDK not bad really no hidden gotchas there.

 

We mainly create one off AR apps for exhibitions the apps are just for information and a bit of a sideline for the companys we develope them for.

 

To pay a monthly charge for an app that is really one going to be used one or twice is a bit pants really they clearly did not think there pricing stucture out.

 

Well its been fun people but i think its time move to a more stable SDK

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